ForgeHaven Vaporizer – Vaporizing Under Vacuum… Is This the Next Big Thing in DHV

Hey everyone!

I just discovered a new desktop vaporizer called the ForgeHaven, and I thought I’d share it here because the concept looks really interesting. I’ve personally never seen this approach used in a dry herb vaporizer before.

Instead of simply heating the herb while you draw air through it, the ForgeHaven first creates a sealed vacuum environment, removing around 60–70% of the air from the chamber. The herb is then heated and the vapor collects inside the sealed chamber rather than being immediately mixed with a continuous stream of room air.

So the idea is that when you inhale, you’re drawing from a chamber already filled with concentrated vapor rather than producing and diluting the vapor with fresh air at the same time. According to ForgeHaven, this should mean denser vapor, less oxidation and better preservation of terpenes and flavor.

Another really unusual part is the temperature range. They say lower settings around 100°C favor flavor and lighter aromatic compounds, around 130°C gives a balance between flavor and vapor, and you can go higher when you want more density and extraction.

The bowl can also hold up to 1.5g, which is huge. :joy: I’m really curious whether this is mainly a slow session device where you let the vapor accumulate, or if it can actually produce massive clouds and extract quickly. Unfortunately, I haven’t found a proper vapor-production video yet.

Then there’s the part that hurts: the price. :sweat_smile: It’s currently around $594 USD, with a regular price listed at $750 USD. Expensive vaporizers definitely seem to be becoming a trend lately. At the same time, I can understand it to some extent: many of these innovative devices are being developed by very small companies producing in low volumes. R&D, tooling and development costs have to be recovered over a relatively small number of units. Still… $600–750 for a vaporizer definitely hurts! :joy:

Overall, though, this is one of the more unusual approaches to DHV technology I’ve seen lately, so I figured I’d start a discussion here and see what everyone thinks.

:backhand_index_pointing_right: ForgeHaven: https://forgehavenvape.com/

Has anyone here seen or tried something using a similar vacuum-based concept before?

:warning: Quick note: I haven’t been able to independently verify much information about the company behind ForgeHaven yet. Their website doesn’t provide many details about where they’re located or where the devices are manufactured/shipped from, so please do your own research before ordering.

Personally, I’m interested in the technology, but I’m not comfortable placing an order yet until I know more about the company, its location, and the product itself. Hopefully we’ll get more information soon.

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Well this is interesting for sure! If it’s in a partial vacuum is pyrolisis involved to a higher degree?

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That’s actually a really good question. From what I understand from their website, the partial vacuum isn’t intended to increase pyrolysis. The idea is to remove around 60–70% of the ambient air/oxygen first, then gently heat the flower while the released vapor accumulates inside that low-oxygen sealed chamber.

They claim this allows them to use much lower temperatures while reducing oxidation and vapor dilution — around 100°C for lighter aromatic compounds and ~130°C for a balance of flavor and vapor, with higher settings available for more extraction.

So I would actually expect less thermal degradation rather than more, simply because of the lower temperatures and reduced oxygen. But I’m not sure how much actual pyrolysis occurs under these conditions, and I’d love to see some independent testing of that. That’s one of the reasons I posted this here — the physics behind this thing is pretty interesting! :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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Here’s the YouTube link where they’ve uploaded their official video. That’s actually how I discovered them today:

Unfortunately, they don’t show the actual vapor production, which I would really like to see. But they do show the AVB at the end, so it’s still pretty interesting to check out. :eyes:

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No, it is just to reduce the boiling point to extract at a lower temperature. I’m not sure if it’s really a good thing, too much terpenes can be a negative imo.

I am interested in denser vapor. I’ve noticed that a .05g hit in a slower device like a Venty is a bit rougher than a .05g hit with a Ball Vape. Same with .3g in a ball vape vs .3g in a well heated Quartz Cap. Whatever cooks it quicker (which I assume is denser vapor) is less harsh.

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This does make some sense, as lower pressure lowers the boiling point and part of my reasoning for not always vacuum sealing my storage jars if not only for long term storage since it triggers evaporation of terpenes etc.

Gonna follow this one… Hopefully we can see it in someone’s hands at some point to share their experience!

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Very interesting concept, looking forward to see one in action. I am really not sure how it is supposed to create a decent amount of vapor during the vacuum if there is no volume to store the vapor in (just guessing that there is not a lot of volume inside the device).

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An espresso machine for the DHV world. I love new ideas and tech, but this seems like a lot of faff to take a hit. Looking forward to the reviews though! Hope those pumps are going to be replaceable.

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Creates vaporizer which has dense vapor as one of the main advertised selling points but does not show any vapor in the demo video…

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I agree that not showing the machine operate is really annoying. The machine and the physics of how they describe it works seems viable but the proof is in the pudding. Seeing is believing.

Anyhow, it’s a very interesting development and I hope it leads to a better experience and more innovation.

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This is a concept I’ve ruminated on for a long time…exciting! I have one on the way and will report back.

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I can’t get the idea of the manual espresso machine out of my head. If I’m going though all the faff like an espresso machine, there better be levers and release valves all over the place. Steampunk like. :grin:

Come to think of it, could totally rig up a manual version quite easily I’m thinking. :thinking: A lever espresso machine can pull 9 bars with just a small oring seal. The video shows them pulling only 1 bar! Get the piston size small pinhole inlet opening right, you can pull that pressure while passing air through the herb the whole time. Hmm… and if you let the vapour rest and cool, you can open a tap and let it flow down into a sealed (windproof still air) glass final chamber for theatrics, kind of like pouring a proper espresso.

hmm…

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I asked Forgehaven about the origin of their vaporizer and where it’s manufactured, and I received a response that I wanted to share with you guys. They confirmed that it’s manufactured in New York State, USA, so it’s a 100% American-made product.

For those of us in Canada, like me, the manufacturer also believes that the vaporizer should not be subject to the new tariffs, although they’re not 100% sure. You can check out their response in the comments under their YouTube video for more details.

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Hi TKVape, Thanks again for starting this thread. It’s encouraging to see so much interest in the vacuum technology.

I would just like to introduce myself.. My name is Tom, the creator of ForgeHaven. I am a mechanical engineer with a decade+ of experience designing vacuum chambers and thermal fluid systems for the semiconductor industry. I’ve been disappointed with the vapor quality from conventional vaporizers for some time. The biggest issue I see with an open air vaporizer is that terpenes and other high volatility compounds are the first things to vaporize, so by the time you go to use the material, a lot of that flavor is already lost to the room. The idea is not to load 100% of the vapor in a chamber in one go and sip it out (although I do plan for something like that in the future if this device is successful), but to trap all that flavor and get the flower in a state that is vaporizing rapidly before beginning a session. No more guessing if the material is properly heated and ready to extract. The pressure gauge will let you know for sure. What you get is a flavor blast unlike anything I’ve personally experienced. After the unseal and first few hits, the rest of the material is extracted like a typical convection vape.

The best way to maximize flavor is to pick a low temperature setting and let it slowly heat up the material over 10-15 minutes. Alternatively, if you are a grip it and rip it person, go ahead and crank it up to max temperature and get some big clouds, although there are probably devices out there that can give max vapor and quicker heat up time at a lower price. This device is more for the user that buys premium flower and wants to get the best possible utilization out of it.

I know the price is not the selling point here, but know that every design decision was made with vapor quality in mind first. This means CNC machined components, quartz, FDA grade seals, and a medical grade isolation valve.

I’ll try to answer as many questions as possible, so AMA

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@MrGrumpyMcGrumpster

An espresso machine for the DHV world. I love new ideas and tech, but this seems like a lot of faff to take a hit. Looking forward to the reviews though! Hope those pumps are going to be replaceable.

Probably a fair comparison ;-)… I do use an espresso machine in the morning :rofl:

On the second point. The vacuum pump is outside the vapor path thanks to the isolation valve, so it won’t get gunked up over time.

Everything in ForgeHaven is easy to replace/repair. No components are trapped behind glued or welded enclosures. I will also make the enclosure CAD files free to download so anyone can customize and print their own at home

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I just received it and will get started this weekend. This will be the first time in a long time I have a learning curve to deal with!

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Awesome! I can’t wait to see this machine in action in your videos! :fire: I’m really curious to see how it performs.

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This looks so interesting VAS is calling hard on this one.

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This 600 dollar vape trend needs to die

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All of those are specialized luxury items, it’s not like there aren’t enough great vapes around in all prize ranges. Why care?

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